Feelings, All I is has is be feelings... :( Lol!
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Me:The definition "firm belief/confidence in the truth of something, with no implied reason, or lack thereof, why it is trusted" you wrote sounds a lot like "Acceptance of the truth of a statement without evidence or investigation" in the example I provided.
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Your example renders "belief of something with no implied reason".
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You state mine renders as "belief for no reason" yet you are arguing that I am wrong? Do you not read what you write or are you merely stuck in opposition because you perceive a need for someone else to be wrong for you to be correct?
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Your definition equates to the one I presented in your own words.
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His Reply:Only an idiot would equate the two. Stop being an idiot. Trust can be had for good, bad, or no reason (faith). The word "trust" alone, doesn't imply any of them.
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Stop being obtuse.
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ME:So to equate "no reason" with "no implied reason" regarding the base of a belief as it relates to use of the word trust as defined by a definition found in a collegiate dictionary (link) makes me obtuse?
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That is not acute, a cute, argument.
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In your scenario if trust can be had for one or more of three reasons, good- bad- or no reason (faith), how could the word trust not imply one of them?
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How does "no reason" imply faith? Do you mean belief in a good result, belief in a bad result, and belief with no reason (faith)? If so that simply restates my argument that trust is like blind faith.
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A thesaurus may have made your phrasing more interesting and alleviated the redundancy of the word idiot.
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Your judgement of my worth falls meaningless upon deaf ears and name calling is futile.
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His Reply:"So to equate 'no reason' with 'no implied reason' regarding the base of a belief as it relates to use of the word trust as defined by a definition found in a collegiate dictionary makes me obtuse?"
That's not at all what you did, or related to what I said. You are conflating 'confidence in the truth of something' with 'confidence in the truth of something for no reason'.
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"In your scenario if trust can be had for one or more of three reasons, good- bad- or no reason (faith), how could the word trust not imply one of them?"Because it doesn't. All it means is confidence in the truth of something. There's no implied meaning of why one may trust something.
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"Do you mean belief in a good result, belief in a bad result, and belief with no reason (faith)?"No, I mean for good reasons, bad reasons, or no reason at all.
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"How does 'no reason' imply faith?"Because that's what faith seems to mean to most people.
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ME:So faith should not be a synonym?
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So the definition in the Oxford dictionary is wrong?
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Definition of trust in English:
trust
noun
mass noun-
Firm belief in the reliability, truth, or ability of someone or something.
'relations have to be built on trust''they have been able to win the trust of the others'confidence, belief, faith, freedom from doubt, freedom from suspicion, sureness, certainty, certitude, assurance, conviction, credence, reliance- Acceptance of the truth of a statement without evidence or investigation.
'I used only primary sources, taking nothing on trust'
- The state of being responsible for someone or something.
'a man in a position of trust'responsibility, duty, obligation
- literary count noun A person or duty for which one has responsibility.
'rulership is a trust from God'
- Acceptance of the truth of a statement without evidence or investigation.
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Law
count noun An arrangement whereby a person (a trustee) holds property as its nominal owner for the good of one or more beneficiaries.
'a trust was set up'mass noun 'the property is to be held in trust for his son'safe keeping, keeping, protection, charge, care, custody- A body of trustees.
- An organization or company managed by trustees.
'a charitable trust'in names 'the National Trust'
- A body of trustees.
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US dated count noun A large company that has or attempts to gain monopolistic control of a market.
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West Indian archaic Commercial credit.
'my master lived on trust at an alehouse' -
archaic count noun A hope or expectation.
'all the great trusts of womanhood'
verb
[WITH OBJECT]- Believe in the reliability, truth, or ability of.
'I should never have trusted her'with object and infinitive 'he can be trusted to carry out an impartial investigation''a trusted adviser'have faith in, place one's trust in, put one's trust in, have confidence in, have every confidence in, believe in, pin one's faith on, pin one's hopes on- trust someone with Allow someone to have, use, or look after (someone or something of importance or value) with confidence.
'I'd trust you with my life'entrust, put in the hands of, allow to look after, allow to look use
- trust someone/something to Commit someone or something to the safekeeping of.
'they don't like to trust their money to anyone outside the family'consign, commit, give, hand over, turn over, assign, commend
- with clause Have confidence; hope (used as a polite formula in conversation)
'I trust that you have enjoyed this book'hope, expect, think likely, dare say, imagine, believe, assume, presume, suppose, take it
- no object Have faith or confidence.
'she trusted in the powers of justice'
- trust to no object Place reliance on (luck, fate, or chance)
'I hurtled down the path, trusting to luck that I wouldn't put a foot wrong'
- trust someone with Allow someone to have, use, or look after (someone or something of importance or value) with confidence.
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archaic Allow credit to (a customer)
'all persons are forbid to trust sailors'
Phrases
- not trust someone as far as one can throw them
- informal Not trust or hardly trust a particular person at all.
- trust someone to --
- It is characteristic or predictable for someone to act in the specified way.'trust Sam to have all the inside information'
Origin
Middle English: from Old Norse traust, from traustr 'strong'; the verb from Old Norse treysta, assimilated to the noun.
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